OWW Top 50 Villains of All Time

[Shockage]

The criteria is the same as the Superstar and Tag Team lists. Post your top 50 Villains (Heels) of All-Time (on air characters - wrestlers, managers, authority figures etc) and hopefully by the end of the year (or in the new year at the latest) we should have an official compiled list. Feel free to come back and edit your list as you please.




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[DevinJAM]

ok this took me a long time and was a pain but i think i came up with a decent list, probably not the best or most accurate but decent.

1.Ric Flair
2.Roddy Piper
3.Gorgeous George Wagner
4.Hulk Hogan
5.HHH
6.Iron Sheik
7.Chris Jericho
8.JBL
9.Vince macmon
10.Negro Casas
11.Masahiro Chono
12.Jerry Lawler
13.Ted Debiase
14.Kevin Sullivan
15.Kevin Nash
16.Edge
17.Jeff Jarrett
18.Eddie Guerrero
19.Vader
20.Kurt Angle
21.Paul Orndof
22.Rick Martel
23.Kane
24.Larry Zabisko
25.Rick Rude
26.Jake the Snake Roberts
27.Harly Race
28.Nikolai Volkoff
29.Ivan Koloff
30.Muhammad Hassan
31.William Regal
32.Konnan\
33.Curt Henning
34.Terry Blackwell
35.Big John Studd
36.King Kong Bundy
37.Arn Anderson
38.Ole Anderson
39.Tully Blanchard
40.Randy Ortian
41.Batista
42.Bret Heart
43.Shawn Michels
44.X-Pac
45.Raven
46.John Cena
47.Robert Rude
48.Seven Richerds
49.Dennis Rodman
50.Bobo Brazil

[wrestlemania365.com]

1. Rowdy Roddy Piper
2. Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase
3. Macho Man Randy Savage
4. Nature Boy Ric Flair
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Jake the Snake Roberts
7. Raven
8. Mankind
9. Cactus Jack
10. Kevin Sullivan
11. Vince McMahon
12. Nature Boy Buddy Rogers
13. Abdullah the Butcher
14. Hollywood Hulk Hogan
15. Gorgeous George
16. Ray the Crippler Stevens
17. Sgt. Slaughter
18. Iron Sheik
19. Freddie Blassie
20. Michael Hayes
21. Scott Hall
22. Kevin Nash
23. Honkytonk Man
24. Ravishing Rick Rude
25. Andre the Giant
26. The Sheik
27. Undertaker
28. Edge
29.Jerry the King Lawler
30. Chris Jericho
31. Goldust
32. Kane
33. John Bradshaw Layfield
34. Mr. Bob Backlund
35. Killer Kahn
36. Greg the Hammer Valentine
37. Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndoff
38. Terry Funk
39. Stan the Lariat Hansen
40. Big Van Vader
41. Fabulous Moolah
42. Adorable Adrian Adonis
43. Mr. Perfect
44. Sid Vicious-Sid Justice
45. Nick Bockwinkle
46. The Miz
47. William Regal
48. CM Punk
49. Jesse the Body Ventura
50. Rick the Model Martel

[Shockage]

1. The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase
2. Classy Freddie Blassie
3. Rowdy Roddy Piper
4. Superstar Billy Graham
5. Jake “the Snake” Roberts
6. Buddy Rogers
7. Tully Blanchard
8. Ric Flair
9. Don Muraco
10. Gorgeous George
11. Jerry “the King” Lawler
12. Hollywood Hulk Hogan
13. Hans Schmit
14. Greg Valentine
15. The Sheik
16. Harley Race
17. Sgt Slaughter
18. Mankind
19. Nick Bockwinkel
20. Honky Tonk Man
21. The Freebirds (Hayes, Gordy & Roberts)
22. Ravishing Rick Rude
23. Macho Man Randy Savage
24. Ray Stevens
25. Fritz Von Erich
26. Dick the Bruiser
27. Terry Funk
28. Ernie Ladd
29. Andre the Giant
30. Killer Kowalski
31. Shane Douglas
32. Abullah the Butcher
33. Shawn Michaels
34. Curt Hennig
35. Larry Zbyzsko
36. Paul Orndorff
37. Earthquake
38. Eddie Gilbert
39. Blackjack Mulligan
40. Fabulous Rougeau Brothers (Jacque & Raymond)
41. Goldust
42. Raven
43. Triple H
44. The Iron Sheik
45. One Man Gang
46. Mr. Fuji & Professor Toru Tanaka
47. The Dudley Boyz
48. Dino Bravo
49. Yokozuna
50. Big Boss Man

[Ramon's Razor]

21. Scott Hall
22. Kevin Nash

Right next to one another? Interesting. And by "interesting" I mean lame.

[Ramon's Razor]

ok this took me a long time and was a pain but i think i came up with a decent list, probably not the best or most accurate but decent.
1.Ric Flair
2.Roddy Piper
3.Gorgeous George Wagner
4.Hulk Hogan
5.HHH
6.Iron Sheik
7.Chris Jericho
8.JBL
9.Vince macmon
10.Negro Casas

Well, you should have taken longer and more pain, because your top 10 is a worse disaster than Hurricane Katrina, even if Hurricane Katrina had the Cloverfield monster in the middle of it. How you have HHH, JBL and Jericho ahead of guys like Jake "the Snake" and Rick Rude is very puzzling. And why is John Cena even on the list? He was a heel for about 20% of his career. Being a booed by the 20 "smart marks" in the stands doesn't make someone a heel, buddy.

[DevinJAM]

Well, you should have taken longer and more pain, because your top 10 is a worse disaster than Hurricane Katrina, even if Hurricane Katrina had the Cloverfield monster in the middle of it. How you have HHH, JBL and Jericho ahead of guys like Jake "the Snake" and Rick Rude is very puzzling. And why is John Cena even on the list? He was a heel for about 20% of his career. Being a booed by the 20 "smart marks" in the stands doesn't make someone a heel, buddy.

have only seen one Rick Rude match and no Jake Roberts matches or read on them so i couldn't give a strong enough opinion. John Cena is on the List for his time as a Heel. believe me but were im from when Cena was a Heel there was no more hated heel at the time. and no one more i loved to hate. so i added him and still believe if he ever turned heel he i would love hateing him again. considering it took me 2 weeks of work to make the list i dont think this is the best list i could come up with but its the one im putting up.

[Ramon's Razor]

grrthrthrthrthrthrthrhrthrth

[Shockage]

Remember the Wrestlers Only rule, Mr. McMahon shouldn't be on that list.

[Goldie79]

There's still more than enough time to edit lists before an overall OWW 50 list is produced from the individual ones.... and if Mr McMahon is still listed we can simply omit him, giving the points to the wrestler ranked underneath.
Vince was a great heel owner 1998-99 but got far too hammy and over the top!

Razor, how about adding Rick Rude? he's missing from your list, yet you call out Devin for not listing him?

Also should we stick to having one wrestler instead of multipe personas? ie I've seen Mankind and Cactus Jack appear on the same list.... should Mick Foley be used instead so the same guy doesn't occupy 2 spots?

[Shockage]

and I don't think Bruno Sammartino was ever a heel lol.

[ScrapMetal55]

1. Hollywood Hogan
2. Andre the Giant
3. Million Dollar Man
4. Jake the Snake Roberts
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Kevin Nash
7. Vader
8. Cactus Jack
9. Kane
10 Chris Jericho

All I could give right now is an attempt. I am typing all this on a cell phone, so I'll have to come back and edit

[wrestlemania365.com]

Right next to one another? Interesting. And by "interesting" I mean lame.

Interesting that you care. More lame if I based my list on the fear of being called lame. Did you also notice I have several more former partners bunched together. In wrestling there are lots of partnerships by a lot of guys so the chances of two being together on a list are pretty good but you know wrestling so you should already know that.

[wrestlemania365.com]

There's still more than enough time to edit lists before an overall OWW 50 list is produced from the individual ones.... and if Mr McMahon is still listed we can simply omit him, giving the points to the wrestler ranked underneath.
Vince was a great heel owner 1998-99 but got far too hammy and over the top!


Also should we stick to having one wrestler instead of multipe personas? ie I've seen Mankind and Cactus Jack appear on the same list.... should Mick Foley be used instead so the same guy doesn't occupy 2 spots?

Vince McMahon wrestled matches inside the ring that were booked on WWE events. Does that not make him a wrestler ?

Mankind and Cactus Jack are two different characters. If I just say Mick Foley does that include his time as Dude Love ? That's why when I listed Hogan he's on the villain list as "Hollywood" and the hero list as simply Hulk Hogan.

[wrestlemania365.com]

And just to clarify my Hogan and Foley points. I think it's a little more complicated when you're dealing with a guy that had two or more personas. A guy like Piper or Flair is less complicated because you have one character who is heel or face during certain time periods within a career. A guy like Foley to me is complicated because he played two great heel characters that are different. I also consider Hollywood Hogan a different persona or character than Hulk Hogan. Another thing to think about is : Are we talking about characters or performers ? Are we talking Clint Eastwood or Dirty Harry ? Know what I mean ? Character or actor ? Maybe less complicated if you just consider the actor/performer instead of characters which some wrestlers have multiple. If that is the case I will change my list to only include Mick Foley. As far as Vince McMahon you will have to convince me that a guy who gets in the ring for a booked match for the biggest company in the world and competes in that match which has an outcome somehow is not classified as a wrestler.

[DevinJAM]

Vince was a wrestler, remember in his many fueds he was said to be both a owner and Wrestler. also he had matches against many top superstars.

[Shockage]

To the above posts debating whether Vince McMahon was a wrestler, he was certainly not a wrestler. McMahon stepped in the ring at a time when he blew the lid off the wrestling industry saying that everything was pre-determined. Then he went on to put himself, his son and other non-wrestlers on the same footing as the actual wrestlers basically manipulating and blurring the lines between wrestler and non-wrestler thus creating a category unifying these once separated titles calling themselves 'entertainers. This demeaned and depowered the pro wrestler image - an identity and integrity that we seriously need to uphold if we're going to call ourselves WRESTLING fans. Just the thought of entertaining the idea that Vince McMahon is classified a wrestler (of his own vain doing) destroys the concept of these lists and makes a mockery out of men like Ed Lewis, Antonio Inoki, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, because now you want to push the envelope and consider Vince, then Shane, then Arquette, then Russo, then Heyman, K-Fed, any Tom, Dick and Harry who stepped inside the ring. Don't adopt the ideology of a man who is too a shamed to acknowledge the word pro wrestling.

[Ramon's Razor]

Interesting that you care. More lame if I based my list on the fear of being called lame. Did you also notice I have several more former partners bunched together. In wrestling there are lots of partnerships by a lot of guys so the chances of two being together on a list are pretty good but you know wrestling so you should already know that.

Kevin Nash shouldn't be anywhere near is high on the list as Scott Hall. That's like having Ric Flair next to Rikishi. Maybe I'm out of the loop, and don't know leaning that on the ropes while cutting a promo is a mark of greatness.

Razor, how about adding Rick Rude? he's missing from your list, yet you call out Devin for not listing him?

I accidentally posted an older version of my list. That's what I get for trying to post something at 2am.

[wrestlemania365.com]

To the above posts debating whether Vince McMahon was a wrestler, he was certainly not a wrestler. McMahon stepped in the ring at a time when he blew the lid off the wrestling industry saying that everything was pre-determined. Then he went on to put himself, his son and other non-wrestlers on the same footing as the actual wrestlers basically manipulating and blurring the lines between wrestler and non-wrestler thus creating a category unifying these once separated titles calling themselves 'entertainers. This demeaned and depowered the pro wrestler image - an identity and integrity that we seriously need to uphold if we're going to call ourselves WRESTLING fans. Just the thought of entertaining the idea that Vince McMahon is classified a wrestler (of his own vain doing) destroys the concept of these lists and makes a mockery out of men like Ed Lewis, Antonio Inoki, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, because now you want to push the envelope and consider Vince, then Shane, then Arquette, then Russo, then Heyman, K-Fed, any Tom, Dick and Harry who stepped inside the ring. Don't adopt the ideology of a man who is too a shamed to acknowledge the word pro wrestling.

Right or wrong; he was still an occasional talent in WWE.

[Shockage]

Only of his own vain doing. If you can provide me with 50 Vince McMahon matches throughout the last 40 years when he was announcing that were held outside a WWE setting without his own input, then Vince McMahon should definitely be one of the 50 wrestlers listed.

[horsemen4life]

1. Freddy Blassie
2. Roddy Piper
3. Abdullah The Butcher
4. Ted Dibiase
5. Buddy Rogers
6. Terry Funk
7. Superstar Graham
8. Jake Roberts
9. Tully Blanchard
10. The Sheik
11. Greg Valentine
12. Killer Kowoski
13. Ric Flair
14. Kevin Sullivan15. Jerry Lawler
16. Ivan Koloff
17. The Iron Sheik
18. Nick Bockwinkle
19. Larry Zbyzsko
20. Paul Ordorff
21. Hans Schmidt
22. Gorgeous George
23. Honkeytonk Man
24. Rick Rude
25. Harley Race
26. Ole Anderson
27. Mr. Fuji
28. Sgt. Slaughter
29. Sheepherders
30. Ray Stevens
31. Bruiser Brody
32. The Freebirds
33. Fritz and Waldo Von Erich
34. Dick the Bruiser
35. Ernie Ladd
36. Eddie Gilbert
37. Gino Hernandez
38. HHH
39. King Kong Bundy
40. Curt Hennig
41. Big John Studd
42. Dudley Boyz
43. Hollywood Hogan
44. George The Animal Steele
45. Maddog Sawyer
46. Randy Savage
47. Larry Hennig
48. Crusher
49. Ken Patera
50. Moolah

[wrestlemania365.com]

Only of his own vain doing. If you can provide me with 50 Vince McMahon matches throughout the last 40 years when he was announcing that were held outside a WWE setting without his own input, then Vince McMahon should definitely be one of the 50 wrestlers listed.

It doesn't matter how many matches he had. He did the job- being a hated villain. It's one of those you have to give the devil his do. That storyline Vince ( the evil boss ) vs Austin ( the defiant employee who does what we all wish we could do sometimes but if we want to be a part of society and not behind bars we don't ) was brilliant.

Also Vince is not the first in the history of wrestling to own/promote and throw himself into the squared circle. As a matter of fact there were guys doing it before him.

[wrestlemania365.com]

And to clarify about it doesn't matter how many matches. He wrestled occasionally which does that make him a wrestler ? I say it does but that doesn't mean that i'm right. Just my opinion. I feel he wrestled enough and was involved enough continuing storylines to be a "wrestler". On the other hand I didn't include Eric Bischoff because as I did feel he was involved enough continuing storylines; I just didn't feel he wrestled enough. But it's all opinion unless you would like to make a rule that a wrestler must "compete" in a certain number of matches. In that case if McMahon doesn't qualify I will take him off my list.

[Shockage]

Unfortunately the non-wrestlers listed will not be recognised on the final list. I respect your choice for McMahon, but we can't go on each individual's opinion. We have to go with a universal criteria that will recognise just the wrestlers; not the promoters, managers, announcers who've stepped in the ring.

[Goldie79]

Vince McMahon wrestled matches inside the ring that were booked on WWE events. Does that not make him a wrestler ?

Mankind and Cactus Jack are two different characters. If I just say Mick Foley does that include his time as Dude Love ? That's why when I listed Hogan he's on the villain list as "Hollywood" and the hero list as simply Hulk Hogan.

When Vince was wrestling we were also getting other non-wrestlers competing.... even celebritys! It was a sign of the times.
It wasn't unusual for non-wrestlers to have the occasional match..... Vince saved the (majority of) handful of matches he had for major PPVs and never worked a proper schedule.

As for Hulk Hogan vs Hollywood Hogan.... it doesn't matter, one can go on the face list, the other on the villain list, they are completely different lists, its not an issue.

As for Foley and his multiple personas.... I'd call the lists 'wrestler lists' rather than 'character lists'. It also causes problems when adding up the individual lists to create the overall OWW 50 list.
Imagine if one list stated 'Mick Foley' and another listed Mankind and Cactus. Do I add Mick Foley to the Mankind score or the Cactus score as it wasn't specified? I think its unfair to give 'Mick Foley' double points on account of 2 characters on one list, when most of the guys will only be mentioned in one context.... that would over inflate Foleys presence on the overall list.

If I spot the same guy on a list i'll aware him the points for the higher spot and skip points for the 2nd mention.