I will go with Vince McMahon winning the Royal Rumble in 1999.
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What is the most memorable Royal Rumble moment?
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I will go with Vince McMahon winning the Royal Rumble in 1999.
I'll go with Shawn Michaels winning the RR as the first person in the RR.
I'm gonna go with Chris Benoit winning the Royal Rumble 2004.
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I'll go with the return of John Cena Royal Rumble 2008
Royal Rumble Match 1992
The Hulk Hogan/Ultimate Warrior confrontation in 1990
Those who live without honor, end without honor.
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So sorry this took so long. I will go with Hacksaw Jim Duggan winning the first Royal Rumble Match
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Undies, Debaters, Readers, you know never before had we Wrestling Fans witnessed prior to WCW 1993/94 Wrestlings biggest drawing names in the same match. I’m referring to legendary figures and names. Names that echo WWe and more importantly Professional Wrestling Hall of Fames. When asked to select the most memorable Royal Rumble moment, it’s simple. Although many can be argued and used as runner-ups there is a clear precedent that this moment, this event, this match is by far the most memorable as a whole not specifically a segment that one can point out. In my argument, I’m going to justify this event, this particular match, The Rumble 1992 as the most memorable Rumble moment and that match that made it memorable.
The British Bulldog, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Ric Flair, Hogan, Sid, Macho Man, Tito Santana, Shawn Michaels. I mean, you name ‘em and 8 out of 10 Wrestlers would have been in this match. The most talked about, legendary figures in the Industry, they were here. And the reason they were here, or there at Rumble ‘92 was because of then President Of WWF Jack Tunney’s announced Vacant WWF Championship.
It was a scene like no other in the history of the company. Late 1991, Undertaker vs Hulk Hogan the WWF Champion. Ric Flair who had been working for WCW/NWA, and for that matter was significant to that company as their World Heavyweight Champion. Flair would be gimmick-ed or headlined as the “Real World Champion” in defiance To WCW/NWA for owing him money, he kept the belt and brought it to WWF.
In the match with Taker and Hogan, Flair would interfere obviously with Hogan being the WWF Champion and Flair claiming to be the “Real Champ” it was bound to happen. Flair would slide a chair in the ring for Undertaker. Undertaker then would introduce Hogan’s skull to that chair via “Tombstone”. Needless to say this action didn't sit well with Hogan. Tunney torn between two Champions, arguably did the best thing for both parties. He unified the WWF and WCW/NWA Championships (not recognized by WCW/NWA) and declared at the 1992 Royal Rumble, at Rumble match ends there will be an Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.
Here’s a guy in Ric Flair who blatantly hijacked a World Title from a competing Promotion and illustrated himself as the Champion on another. It was so groundbreaking and illegal, yet the WWF had the “Attitude Era” balls to progress the story-line into the most memorable events in Wrestling History.
Tension was tight the whole night. Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby “The Brain” Heenan on commentary. Thirty men over the top rope, single elimination, last man in the ring is the Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion. Heenan’s on pins and needles backing the”Real World Champion” Ric Flair, and he let it be known every step of the way. Monsoon keeping everything together attempting to stay neutral on the matter, “You can cut the tension with a knife” rings through every viewers ears as match gets underway. The British Bulldog vs The Million Dollar Man are the first two entrants into the match. Ted would get eliminated by Davey, then it happened.
No, No, No, No would blare throughout my home as my speakers would broadcast the event live. This was Heenan’s mountain top stance and proclamation that Ric Flair had been screwed by the powers that be. Ric Flair was entrant number three. There was no possible way that Flair could stand a chance at winning the Undisputed Title. He would have to go through 28 top tier, even in that era legendary figures that proved to be World Champions, Intercontinental Champions and Tag Team Champions for WWF and others, bottom-line it was impossible. Secondly, Flair would have to go 50 plus minutes to even begin thinking about a go at winning the match.
Flair won that match. He outlasted, outsmarted, out-wrestled, 28 other Wrestlers to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion. He did in 59 minutes. The only man who came close to that duration in that time, that era was Tito Santana who went 52 in ‘91. This was unheard of, not seen, unquestionable. I can remember Heenan screaming, “Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, which seemed to last as long if not longer than the announcement of Flair winning the match. I can remember Monsoon a “face commentator” praising Flair on his athleticism and endurance within the match. No matter how the match ended which I believe only helps or fuels the memorable outcome. It still remains the all time favorite Rumble memory, the match itself.
In conclusion, a lot was gained going into Rumble 92 and coming out. Which will have a long lasting billboard on WWE and or Professional Wrestling for that matter. Never did we see a face get thrown out by another face as big as Hogan and Sid. We know now that this action from Sid turned him into one of the most feared and “ psycho-ed” Wrestlers in the Industry. Never did we see a competing Promotions Wrestler, who was Champion appear on a major outlet like the Royal Rumble. Never did we see or hear the declaration of a takeover of championship title so blatantly that led to head WWF Officials vacating the companies own Championship in order to wipe or clean the slate to crown an Undisputed Champ. Never did we see a man go longer than 52 minutes and win. And finally, never did we see a heel when the Rumble match.
When you ask what the most memorable moment in Rumble history is. Instead of debating and arguing the issues. I want you the Undie Judges, Debaters, and Readers alike, to take away from this piece a single phrase. One simple phrase that sums up what mine and many others most memorable Rumble moment is. I’ll simply word it like this: It’s indescribable.
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Who is the Showstopper? Shawn Michaels. Who is The Headliner? Shawn Michaels. Who is The Mai nEvent? Shawn Michaels. Who is the first man to win the Royal Rumble as the number 1 entrant? Shaw nMichaels. People, it does not get any bigger than Shawn Michaels winning the Royal Rumble as the 1st entrant. The man broke hearts for just about his entire career, and his first victory at winning the Royal Rumble, and being the first man in history to win the Royal Rumble as the number 1 entrant only added to the heartbreak. This was one of the biggest steps Shawn Michaels took to becoming one of the greatest wrestlers and entertainers in WWE history, if not professional wrestling history. Ian a Royal Rumble match that had wrestlers like The British Bulldog, King Kong Bundy, Rick Martel,Owen Hart, Doink the Clown, Lex Luger, and Bob Backlund, and many more in a match that massive, having all of that talent, and Shawn Michaels made history that night! Winning the Royal Rumble match itself is a huge achievement, but to be the man that wins it as the 1st wrestler to enter was only a dream at the time. He was already a hgue superstar in the WWE at the time, winning the Intercontinental Championship and becoming very popular when The Rockers; Marty Jannety and Shawn Michaels had a run as Tag Team Champions in a few different promotions, including the WWF.
Was the 1995 Royal Rumble match the greatest? No. Was it full of history? Yes. Shawn Michaels may not have gone on to win the WWE cHAMPIONSHIP that year, but, he would become the Intercontinental Champion again that year. The 1995 Royal Rumble match was a match with many moments for Shawn Michaels. Almost being thrown over the top rope several times, working briefly with Crush to help beat The British Bulldog, and who could forget one of the most iconic moments in Royal Rumble history when The British Bulldog thought he won the Royal Rumble after throwing Shawn Michaels over the top rope, but did not see only 1 foot hit the ground, then Shawn Michaels threw the British Bulldog over the top rope, and became the 1995 Royal Rumble winner. It was a shock that no-one thought possible. He had already shown that he could have success without Marty Jannety, then became one of the greatest Intercontinental Champions in history, then became one of the greatest WWE champions of all time. Look at the facts for yourself people, Shawn Michaels winning the 1995 Royal Rumble match isn't just a Royal Rumble moment, it is THE Royal rumble moment.
Who is Chris Benoit
2003-04 was a big time for the Rabid Wolverine he had gone from midcarder to main eventer and was a beacon of hope in the years dominated by Evolution and abuse of power from Triple H.
From 2003 after his short feud with Eddie Guerro for the US title he began his quest for the WWE title only to be denied by the evil Smackdown GM the former owner of ECW and wrestling Genius Paul Heyman, Heyman would constantly deny Chris Benoit his shot at the WWE title throughout 2003 up until 2 weeks before Survivor Series a match was made between Lesnar and Benoit for the WWE title If Lesnar won however Benoit would not receive another shot at the WWE title, after 27 great wrestling minutes Benoit was unsuccessful due to Paul Heyman once again and became more over then he ever was before, then the Royal Rumble was approaching Benoit gained entry into the Royal Rumble tag teaming with John Cena to defeat the Full Blooded Italians but the evil genius once again abused his power by forcing Benoit to compete in the number 1 spot at the Royal Rumble and putting in place every single obsticle that he could throw at Benoit but Benoit survived it all.
During the Rumble Benoit came in at number 1 and battled against number 2 entrant and Evolution Member the then reigning Intercontinental champion Randy Orton they were soon joined by the Worlds Strongest Man Mark Henry who dominated the action and soon joined by Tajiri another former ECW competitor and then joined by JBL then known as Bradshaw still part of the APA and was the first man eliminated from the rumble by Benoit in impressive style next up was entrant number 6 another former ECW competitor and the last ECW champion Rhyno entered and helped Benoit with Eliminating Mark Henry and Tajiri from the match leaving it down to 3 men for the current time, Matt Hardy had come out next along with Scott Steiner in what was his last WWE PPV before going to TNA Wrestling they were soon joined Matt Morgan another competitor who would join TNA and of course the Hurricane and then Booker T who went on to eliminate Scott Steiner, the action heated up when the Big Red Machine entered the ring he would dominate the action only to be distracted by his brother the Undertaker's theme song, the distraction was enough that Booker T was able to eliminate him, by then the emotions from the crowd were excited many were chanting for Benoit.
Spike Dudley was supposed to be next in the ring but was taken out by Kane and was unable to compete, Rikishi was next to enter the Royal Rumble while Benoit had eliminated Rhyno from the match his second eliminating for the night, he went on to eliminate Mat Morgan his third elimination the crowd were really cheering for Benoit as all his eliminations were big men and soon after had eliminated the A-Train who tried to dominate quickly.
Soon Kurt Angle had entered the match and battled it out with Benoit renewing their 2002 rivarly.
Finally Chris Benoit and Big Show were left in the ring battling it out everyone thought for sure that Big Show was going to win but Benoit would not give up, doing everything he could to survive the match the crowd fully behind him but it was not enough or so we thought, Big Show went to toss Benoit out of the ring only to be hurricaraned out and being eliminated leaving Benoit the sole survivor and the winner of the 2004 rumble, emotions were running high good o'l JR was estatic Benoit himself was so emotional he couldn't stop crying he had got another chance not just for a world title but for to main event Wrestlemania and in the progress broke Bob Backlunds longetivity in the ring remaining in that match for 1 hour 3 minutes.
Was 2004 Rumble a great match I don't think so it definately had a lot of moments but there have been better rumbles but it did cement Chris Benoit as a main eventer for the WWE and is a highlight of his career.
It is one of the greatest Rumble moments I believe in history despite what happened years later this moment now you couldn't help but root for the guy he wasn't a great speaker but he was one of the best wrestlers in the world there will never be someone as tough as he was in the ring at his size again and I mean no one.
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When talking about the most memorable Royal Rumble moment, you have to look back at the very first Royal Rumble. It was held not on PPV at the time but as a special on the USA network. The first Rumble match was only a 20 man rumble and included the likes of Jake Roberts, One Man Gang, Dino Bravo, The Hart Foundation, and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Now none of these guys were top guys on the card but it didnt matter because they all fought like they were top guys on the card. Bret Hart entered number 1 and set the then record for longest stay in the rumble at over 25 minutes. Then Jim Duggan entered at number 13 and went on the attack. He didnt get an elimination until all the participants had entered as near the end of the match he eliminated Nikolai Volkoff, leaving just Duggan, OMG, Dino Bravo, and Don Muraco as the final four. OMG and Bravo teamed up to take Muraco out of the match and tried to do the same to Duggan but he fought them off and OMG accidently eliminated Bravo before Duggan finally eliminated OMG to become the winner of the First Royal Rumble Match.
Was this a great match? Not by any stretch of the imagination was it great, but it was the first ever Rumble match, and with Duggan winning, even though the event was held in Canada it was still a very feel good moment for Duggan, and he will always have that claim to fame of being the first winner of the Royal Rumble match. When I think of the most memorable Royal Rumble moment I always go back to the very first Royal Rumble.
What is the most memorable Royal Rumble moment?
You must first think about what you are talking about where it concerns a moment, usually it means a moment in time, a glimpse of an amazing happening. So some of my so called competition are not so smart by picking for example Ric Flair royal Rumble victory in 1992, can’t really be classed as a great moment, not to say that Ric Flair winning the Rumble wasn’t one of the best Rumbles ever. You can argue that Ric did the impossible; you can argue that he beat some off the biggest names in WWF on that day to win the WWF title, and the only time that the winner of the Rumble would become a WWF champion. If this debate was about the greatest Royal Rumble performance then yes go ahead pick the Flairs, the Shawn Michaels even the Chris Benoits of this world, but you got to remember not to confuse performance or match with a moment, because they are different things.
You think about great moments and you think about something that simply makes you go wow, it’s something you don’t forget no matter how long ago it happened. It’s like the greatest moment in wrestlemania history and that was Hogan bodyslamming Andre the Giant, remember that was 25 years ago, and still people still talk about that moment, wrestling fans might not had liked the match itself but the moment still stands the test of time.
Royal Rumble match is probably my favourite type of match of the year, because it’s one of the most unpredictable matches there is, you got 30 competitors in this match, unless you want to make it 40 like in 2011, and you will get a good chance of face off that you have never seen before, and more importantly you simply don’t know who the heck is coming next. You can be sitting at home shouting the countdown when you see the clock, 10,9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…then the buzzers goes off, and you’re on the edge of the seat waiting to see who comes out next, occasionally you let out a groan if it someone not that exciting and not one of your favourite, or your heart starts to pump a little bit more if it someone big like the Undertaker, HBK Triple H someone of that level because you know that business is about to pick up. Then you have the other moment, the moment when the unexpected come though the curtain, someone you simple don’t expect, for example Haku return in 2001 when he was currently the WCW hardcore champion, or Kharma being only the third female to compete in the Rumble and being her first and only action inside a WWE ring or last year Road Dog’s appearance but what I thought was the greatest ever moment, is a return that shock the world of wrestling.
That moment you ask is simply John Cena return from injury in 2008, this is simply an iconic moment and totally sums up the x factor into the Royal rumble. So let’s rewind the clock back to October 2007, John Cena completely tore his right pectoral tendon during a match with Mr Kennedy and he also was attacked after the match by Randy Orton, also at that time John Cena was the WWE champion. Now Mr McMahon officially announced that John Cena was injured and that he would be out of action from anywhere between 6 months and a whole year, and that the WWE title would now be vacant due to Cena’s injury. So the talk was would John Cena make it back in time for Wrestlemania, as 6 months from October hits the wrestlemania season.
So you got a little background to this moment, so let’s return to the moment in question, Royal Rumble 2008, Triple H had just come in at number 29, throws 4 guys over the top rope, and he just pedigreed Umaga, whilst in the background the clock was ticking down to the 30th and last competitor for that year rumble. John Cena music plays and the place comes unglued, and Triple H is in the middle of the ring, seemingly perplexed, and this guy comes out in John Cena outfit but his head is lowered so you can’t see his face. You start to wonder if this is really John Cena or just a bad attempt at a cheap pop, then he lift his head to reveal that it is indeed John Cena and Triple H was a picture of pure shock and surprised, and that single moment sums up the unpredictability of this wonderful type of match, you just don’t know what is going to happen next.
I know that some of you would say, what’s the big deal, wrestlers have always come back ahead of time, and made surprise entrances. However you have to take into account the modern era that we live in, everyone is on Facebook or twitter and as soon as there is some kind of news within minutes the whole world knows about it. Take Royal rumble 2011 the smart fan heard about Kevin Nash and Booker T landing in St Louis the site of the Royal Rumble on the day of the Rumble within minutes everyone worked out they were there to be part of the rumble and there goes part of the surprise element. However somehow and someway there wasn’t a single mention of John Cena and Royal rumble 2008, not a single person at the arena or at home had a single clue that he would be there, and that makes that surprise even more special, that even in this day of technology, the WWE can still bring out a huge surprise like the return of John Cena amazing after missing only 2 months instead of anywhere up to a year. This is a Royal rumble moment that probably won’t be duplicated in the same way ever again.
The question is what the most memorable Royal Rumble moment ever is. So first and foremost I must establish that I am not arguing for which is my favorite or even the favorite moment of the general public in history, rather my position is that Vince McMahon winning the 1999 Royal Rumble match is the most memorable moment in the history of the PPV.
January 1st 1999 is the heart of the Attitude Era. We all know the history of that time period, but just to give a little background, WWF’s rival at the time WCW had taken the wrestling world by storm with their nWo invasion storyline. For several upon several of weeks they mopped the floor with the WWF and their flagship show Nitro reigned as the supreme wrestling programming, until the WWF began taking on a bit more edge. With Bret Hart being screwed over by Vince McMahon at the 1997 Survivor Series, and then Mike Tyson endorsing the Rattlesnake Stone Cold Steve Austin at WrestleMania in 1998, the stage was set for the iconic war – Vince Mcmahon vs. Stone Cold. This was your typical asshole boss who makes sure to let you know that he owns the place and makes your job more difficult. Then finally all the fans had a true anti-hero; a no nonsense bad ass who literally flipped Mr. McMahon the bird and told him he wasn’t going to conform. Unlike other great stories such as the nWo, this was not something that fizzled out over time. From the moment Austin defied McMahon for the first time by refusing to be his corporate champion all the way to the day he finally joined McMahon as a heel... this was a big money making program.
This particular moment--the ending to the 1999 Royal Rumble--was right at the hottest period of this feud. For the last year McMahon and Austin had traded opportunities to humiliate each other. McMahon got the title away from Austin using all the henchmen, Undertaker, Mankind, Kane, and The Champion The Rock. Now Austin’s only opportunity to get a title shot was winning the Royal Rumble match…and of course McMahon found a way to screw him over by entering himself into the Royal Rumble. Only fitting that Austin and McMahon were the first two entrants into the match. Of course Vince did not plan on being number two. His evil plan was to put Austin at one and put himself at 30, but Commissioner Michaels swapped Vince into the number two spot. McMahon outsmarted everyone by choosing his spots and staying out of the ring as much as possible without eliminating himself until finally it came down to just himself and Austin. Drama at its finest as the same two men who started the Rumble ended it together, and the hero Stone Cold Steve Austin got screwed over at the last possible moment due to interference from the man who would later be his WrestleMania opponent, McMahon’s corporate champion…The Rock.
If you look at PPV buyrates, the 1999 Royal Rumble was the third highest PPV buyrate of all time for the a Royal Rumble show, doing 752,000 buys. Now you may ask, “as impressive as that is, if it wasn’t the number one highest. Wouldn’t that mean it wasn’t the most memorable?
And the answer to that is no. We must also take into account TV ratings which were BOOMING at this point. Some people may have just went to their friends home (which was very common given how insanely popular wrestling was among young people at the time) or just not watched the PPV, but you can be certain that anyone who was even remotely interested in wrestling watched Monday Night RAW the next night to find out what happened.
Re-playability is a huge factor to consider here. The WWE would replay this moment on television every night up until WrestleMania, and the moment itself is very often played in videos packages today. After all, the entire Attitude Era was built around this moment. Not only was this Vince’s big screwjob for Austin, but it furthered the Austin/Rock feud that would end up being the most successful series of matches in WrestleMania history.
If you look at the ratings patterns, RAW was starting to pull away from WCW in the race at this point. The year of 1999 would see WWF hit both its best average week by week rating and best single episode. The night after McMahon won the Rumble did a 5.5 rating. By the next month they were averaging ratings in the 6’s. By the time WrestleMania was over they were still growing close to the 7’s. In fact the highest rating an episode of RAW ever got was May 10, 1999 which was headlined by The Rock, Austin, and McMahon in a six man together. Also in April they added Smackdown to the list of WWF programming along with RAW, Jakked, Shotgun, and Heat. The year that this moment happened had the most viewers watching on a regular basis so its likely the largest pool of people experienced it while it happened or shortly thereafter.
My point with all this being that given the amount of people who actually ordered the PPV and the monstrous amount of viewers WWFE had on television, it is very unlikely that anybody had not seen and heard about McMahon and Rock screwing over Austin hundreds of times. The introduction of the Big Show/Giant to WWE was due to McMahon defending his WrestleMania title shot against Austin at the next event. Rock and Austin remain parts of WWE to this day. With the exception of the year that Austin and WWE had a falling out, he’s always been a big part of WWE DVD’s, sometimes an on-screen character, and certainly someone they talk about. The Rock was in-and-out for several years and is now the challenger for the WWE title at this years Royal Rumble. Then obviously Vince McMahon is the owner of the company.
To compare this to the Royal Rumble which did draw the highest buyrate in 1990 and 1991; Hogan won last by eliminating Earthquake the first year and then Mr. Perfect the next year. A few years later Hogan was already in WCW and didn’t return until 2002. Even today he’s one of the authorities of WWE’s rival TNA. Hogan’s greatest Royal Rumble moments have only been exposed to newer audiences based on his short runs with the WWE. Unlike McMahon/Austin/Rock who have all been WWE since the famous Royal Rumble screwjob. Even in the latest WWE video game, there is an Attitude Era mode. One of the chapters of this Attitude Era mode has the McMahon/Austin rivalry including a full video package that shows how McMahon eliminated Stone Cold from the Royal Rumble. If you go to WWE.com they have a video entitled “Countdown: Must-See Royal Rumble Moments”; McMahon winning is among the top 5, while the only two Royal Rumble shows that did better PPV buyrates than Royal Rumble 1999 weren’t even mentioned in the entire video. Those two PPV’s with Hogan winning the Rumble were buried while he was in WCW and now that he is with TNA, they are being buried again.
The point I am trying to make is that even fans today who never watched WWE in the late 90s are being shown this moment. So if Hogan had more eyes on him when his moments happened, WWE has put more eyes on McMahon eliminating Austin over the long term. And all other classic Royal Rumble moment aren't even a part of the discussion as Royal Rumble 1999 beat them in number of buys and TV ratings that followed.
Vince McMahon eliminating Austin from the 1999 Royal Rumble wasn’t a feel good moment like Shawn Michaels winning. This wasn’t an impressive display of fortitude like Chris Benoit overcoming all the odds. This wasn’t a forgettable win simply to setup a championship match for WrestleMania like so many of today’s Royal Rumble winners are. This will not be buried in WWE history like Hulk Hogan winning the Royal Rumble. This was a very high point in the story that defined the Attitude Era which we will be reminded of for years to come.
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What's the first name you think of when you hear wrestling?
Well I'm sure you'd get a lot of different answers, but one name that would come up more often than not is Hulk Hogan.
In 1990 the Hulkster came into contact with a man that generated just as large (sometimes larger) response as him, this man's name was The Ultimate Warrior.
Hulkster was the WWF Champion. Warrior was the Intercontinental Champion. And the showdown, brilliantly commentated by Jesse "The Body" Ventura, was executed perfectly.
The stare, then the shove, then the contact. Which babyface would reign supreme?
Warrior was a house of fire, taking down as many different competitors as he could before Hogan hit the ring, doing much of the same. With entrants still pending, Hogan and Warrior cleared the ring for a showdown that brought the fans to their feet. It was short lived, but thanks to men like the Barbarian and Rick Rude, this time Hogan would get the upper hand by eliminating Warrior, albeit by accident, minutes later.
While short it planted the seeds for a dream match between the two top babyfaces at the time.
The greatest Rumble moment would be when the top two babyfaces were brought together and butted heads
Those who live without honor, end without honor.
All right all Debates are in, The judges will render a Verdict.