Wrestlers that could benefit a win over The Undertaker at WrestleMania.

**wolfie27** · 01-22-2013, 01:04 AM

I just was thinking about who could benefit for a win over The UnderTaker at Wrestlemania. If you feel like adding more feel free.
We'll start with the obvious:

CM Punk: A streak vs streak with the gold on the line is enticing right from the get go. Punk is on a hot streak and what better way to further his career and possibly elevate him to superstar. Punk has had his followings but this win would cement him as a long term player and eventually HOF.

Wade Barrett: There is the Intercontinental Championship here that the Undertaker has never one. I know he really wouldn't lower himself to this title but just having a Barrett vs Undertaker match at WM is just a good idea and could be a classic.

Antonio Cesaro: Again, something the Undertaker has never had and probably won't go after but with Cesaro saying no American can beat him it makes an interesting match. It would also be interesting to put Cesaro's strength to the test with the Undertaker and a win would make him one of the great heels.

These are just some that I could think of off the top of my head...again if you guys wanna add more feel free.

**Maximo** · 01-22-2013, 02:10 AM

Really? The streak don't mean squat, it has killed more momentum then anything.

Jimmy Snuka wasn't even on the card after his match until he got beat by Shawn Micheals a year later.
Jake “The Snake” Roberts was leaving anyway because he wanted a promotion that he didn't get.
Giant Gonzalez was a joke of a wrestler.
King Kong Bundy was way past his prime.
Diesel/Kevin Nash left that same year.
Sid Viscous was also leaving that year anyway
For Kane it killed his momentum for the first time.
The Big Boss Man was a past his prime mid card McMahon lackey at that point, may he rest in peace.
His first match with Triple H was so unmemorable that he had to be put with Austin as "The Power Trip"
Ric Flair was past his prime even back then.
The Big Show, it ruined his career, seriously, a giant losing a handicap match?
Albert/A-Train/Lord Tensai ... Matt Bloom. something he didn't quite recover from to the point of going to Japan and changing his gimmick completely.
Kane again poor guy.
Randy Orton lost his momentum for quite a long time after that.
Mark Henry also lost his momentum when he just built up his reputation as a beast.
Batista had his momentum stopped after his feud with him.
Against Edge led to the monstrosity that was the Vickie/Edge storyline. Also put the Edge Heads back in there box.
Shawn Micheals and Triple H x2 each was just 3 people past there prime trying to hold onto there fame.

The further the new stars of today and tomorrow are from the streak the better.

I liked Mark Calaway from day one but the streak isn't worth the hype behind it.

**wolfie27** · 01-22-2013, 02:20 AM

You misread...it's about who could benefit for a WIN OVER the Undertaker...not a loss.

**Maximo** · 01-22-2013, 02:36 AM

I read it right. No one would benefit a win over someone who's past there prime.
Alot of the people who were in the match had at that point pissed off the company in some way, so it was a way of killing their momentum.

The only person who walked away in decent shape, whether they won their feud with the Undertaker or not was Triple H, and he was the guy sleeping with the bosses daughter.

**wolfie27** · 01-22-2013, 03:19 AM

Sheesh...start a new thread and get trashed...might as well take this one down....already started with the negatives.

**Maximo** · 01-22-2013, 03:53 AM

Keep it up, you never know it, could work well, if its worked right.
I've turned into a negative son of a gun this last year. I apologize.
Think of it this way, it can only get better.

Its good to see you back man.

AJ · 01-22-2013, 01:13 PM

Great thought about Punk Ending the streak, it would make him immortal of some sort but I don't think they would let him do what HBK and Triple H couldn't do twice (or thrice). The Truth is, that streak is a holy grail, it'll remain intact as far as it goes.

**wolfie27** · 01-22-2013, 02:03 PM

All is cool Maximo. Good to see you here too. You brought a tear to my eye with the mention of The Big Boss Man...I miss him.

**Creed** · 01-24-2013, 02:38 AM

Maximo, mon amie, you seriously need to get a lollipop or something and lighten the frig up. As well as step down off your Undertaker-bashing pedestal just long enough to breathe in reality for two seconds - the reality that the Undertaker... The Phenom.... CAN NOT be categorized as just a 'past his prime' wrestler the same way you would Jake Roberts, Scott Hall, etc (although all respect to them.)

While Undertaker may well be technically past his physical peak, yes... When your last 3 WrestleMania matches are all match of the year candidates (if not the actual matches of the year), eclipsing the performances off all those so called 'in their prime' wrestlers.... You re NOT washed up. Undertaker's streak is not just a number, it is one of the biggest drawing factors of every WrestleMania, FACT!

And while, no, I dont think the streak should ever be broken because I think the legacy of the streak is much more powerful than whatever short term (however strong) push lies in store for the victor, there is no doubt that IF the Undertaker ever did put over someone at WrestleMania, it would be an ENORMOUS headline, talking point and surge for that wrestler's career, and your statement that 'No one would benefit a win over someone who's past there prime', especially in this case... Is absolute balls.

**Joey Idol** · 01-24-2013, 05:42 AM

I agree with maximo 100% no one would benifit taker should retire now end it 20 - 0. Punk don't deserve to end it and it wouldnt make him any more popular either. Hhh hbk and taker had an ok match last year but looked old and pathetic. Leave it to hhh and hbk to still be trying to steal the spotlight from the young guys they get a 45 min match Bryan and shameus get 7 seconds lol.

**Joey Idol** · 01-24-2013, 05:45 AM

Bossman vs taker is the worst of the bunch a hell in a cell that was not needed at all. And it was only 10 mins long. And bossman was just a glorified jobber at this point I'd even vote it worst match of 1999 and maybe worst of takers life just cuz how meaningless it was.

**Mr. Tambourine Man** · 01-24-2013, 09:11 AM

I'm with Punk for the simple reason that he's already a very popular wrestler who is pushed pretty well as the top heel. However they haven't done a very good job of making him a credible main eventer. The only guys he ever really beat without interference or cheating were Alberto Del Rio, Chris Jericho, and Daniel Bryan...three guys who were in the same positions of being second tier main eventers.

I think something as huge as Punk breaking the streak would cement the fact that he could beat anybody on any given night. If after that he has to cheat or whatever, thats fine. But first we need to know he's not just some slithering guy who flukes his way through every victory.

**Darth Shizzel** · 01-24-2013, 09:25 AM

No one should end the streak however I laugh at anyone saying Taker is washed up he is constantly having 5 star matches whenever he is around look at his last 5 wrestlemanias for proof of that.

**The Indy Junkie** · 01-24-2013, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Shizzel

No one should end the streak however I laugh at anyone saying Taker is washed up he is constantly having 5 star matches whenever he is around look at his last 5 wrestlemanias for proof of that.

Yeah cause he gets most of the year to rest and train for the match and then leaves till the next year. He hasn't been in regular active competition for a few years now.

**Joey Idol** · 01-24-2013, 09:53 AM

I love how his last match with hhh was billed as an end of an era. Guys the attitude era ended 11 years prior and hhh came back at the next big 4 ppv so what actually was it end too? I have nothing burespect for taker even tho I was never a fan of him as a wrestler or character, but enough with the streak all ready end it at 20 and move on with your lives.

**Turley** · 01-24-2013, 01:09 PM

This thread is hilarious.

Hogan is past his prime so he cops it if he goes near the main event yet people want to suggest scenarios that enable Undertaker to do the very same thing...

Get over it and stop drinking the WWE kool-aid. The most intelligent thing in this thread is the call to keep all young talent away from the streak.

**Shockage** · 01-24-2013, 01:45 PM

I could wipe my ass with a CM Punk shirt and give you all endless amount of 'streaks'

**Creed** · 01-24-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shockage

I could wipe my ass with a CM Punk shirt and give you all endless amount of 'streaks'

I REALLY didn't need that image in my life... Ever.

**Darth Shizzel** · 01-24-2013, 07:14 PM

2 differences between Taker and hogan

1. No matter the opponent they always look good against Taker

2.Taker can still wrestle unlike hulk saggy balls Hogan

**The Indy Junkie** · 01-24-2013, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Shizzel

2 differences between Taker and hogan

1. No matter the opponent they always look good against Taker

2.Taker can still wrestle unlike hulk saggy balls Hogan

Difference 3....Taker is not on TV for just being on TV sake like Hogan

**wolfie27** · 01-25-2013, 12:02 AM

Wow...what ever happened to sticking to the topic at hand? We went from young wrestlers to all about Taker to all about Hogan. There is always ways to make younger talents benefit from this but yet everyone is stuck at seeing the negative...maybe some of these so-called hardcore wrestling fans and the IWC should actually step outside the box for a change. This has been the problem with a lot of "fans", they just go with what everyone else says. I like my idea and it's refreshing to look outside the box....instead of being inside the stale and browned streaked box. Maybe this is the reason I don't post very often anymore...because everyone just ♥♥♥♥s all over new ideas and discourages others from doing the same.

**Darth Shizzel** · 01-25-2013, 02:47 AM

The younger guys have to want to do well and not be happy with where they are you know why CM Punk, Cena, Ryback , Dolph Ziggler, Sheamus, ADR, Randy Orton are either rising to the top or at the top because they were hungry they wanted it thats why they are where they are.

**Shockage** · 01-25-2013, 02:47 AM

Wolfie! *reow! reow!!!*

**Turley** · 01-25-2013, 02:48 AM

there wouldnt be a forum if everyone agreed with each other...
I have seen MTM give a suggestion and back it up with the logic he used. The same can be said for Creed, Maximo, Darth and Indie...

People have VERY strong opinions about the streak. Some are for it and some are against it.

maybe some of these so-called hardcore wrestling fans and the IWC should actually step outside the box for a change.

you have this so ass-backwards it isnt even funny. Suggesting a guy to get over using the streak is hardly thinking outside the square.

**Darth Shizzel** · 01-25-2013, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Turley

there wouldnt be a forum if everyone agreed with each other...
I have seen MTM give a suggestion and back it up with the logic he used. The same can be said for Creed, Maximo, Darth and Indie...

People have VERY strong opinions about the streak. Some are for it and some are against it.

maybe some of these so-called hardcore wrestling fans and the IWC should actually step outside the box for a change.

you have this so ass-backwards it isnt even funny. Suggesting a guy to get over using the streak is hardly thinking outside the square.

Turley's right if we all had the same opinion all this forum would be is bashing Hogan, saying Cena can't wrestle or other useless boring stuff we all at least have better things to say and we have discussions or arguements.

Like my feuds with Turley and Shockage creates discussion the guys are good posters good opinions too I may not agree with them and I'm sure Shockage is a great troller when it comes to CM Punk but still good discussion because of a difference of opinion.